NOMPU SIZIBA: Immediately, Could 4, 2021, we speak about JSE firm listings and why there’s been a development for corporations to delist from the trade and what the implications are. My colleague, Ryk van Niekerk, caught up with the CEO on the JSE.
RYK VAN NIEKERK: The JSE is the nineteenth largest inventory trade on the earth, and likewise the biggest in Africa. It has a market capitalisation of round R17 trillion, which is greater than thrice the GDP of South Africa. However sadly the JSE has been beneath some strain during the last decade or so, with the variety of listings on the bourse dropping to round 340. That is almost half the variety of listings on the JSE in 2001.
In line with analysis from BDO, there have been roughly 32 delistings in 2017, one other 17 in 2018, 24 in 2019, and round 20 final 12 months. A number of corporations akin to Anchor, Intensify, Montauk, and Bell Tools are additionally mentioned to delist this 12 months.
On the road is Dr Leila Fourie, the CEO of the JSE. Leila, thanks a lot for becoming a member of me. How involved are you about this development?
LEILA FOURIE: Hello, Ryk. The development that we’re experiencing may be very a lot a worldwide phenomenon. It’s not distinctive to South Africa or to the JSE, and it’s additionally a cyclical development. So, whereas it’s by no means good to see the nominal variety of listings drop, as you’ve simply talked about, one has to see the larger image. Firstly, the market cap final 12 months elevated by 2% and our all-share index is up 12 months up to now by 12%, which is kind of totally different from the true economic system and the worldwide economic system.
A part of that may be a function within the South African markets, which is that now we have a variety of very, very resilient and growth-oriented giant single-name shares. We even have a lot of dual-listed corporations, corporations that derive both all their revenue or a big a part of their revenue ex South Africa, and that diversifies our trade.
So, when you think about that we’re, as you mentioned, the nineteenth largest by market cap, we’re the thirty third largest by GDP, which implies that we punch manner above our weight. That actually factors to the standard of shares that now we have on the trade. So, whereas I’m involved within the brief time period, the capital markets and the general public markets are actually right here for the long run, and the development that we’re seeing will flip round.
A number of the key drivers embrace the consolidation of shares, giant corporations coming in and shopping for smaller corporations, the position of personal fairness and the rise of different capital formation – and we’re seeing that as a worldwide phenomenon. After which the cyclicality. So it’s cheaper within the present market to lift debt than to lift fairness. When the cycle turns, we are going to see that development beginning to change once more.
RYK VAN NIEKERK: Leila, now we have a really strong asset-management trade in South Africa; it consists of pension funds, unit trusts and different collective funding schemes. However we even have rules akin to Regulation 28, which prescribes the asset allocation of those funds. With a shrinking JSE, the funding universe can also be shrinking and several other fund managers have alluded to this on this programme over the previous few months. Have you ever had any interplay and discussions with the asset-management trade about this?
LEILA FOURIE: The place we’re seeing the funding panorama contracting is within the small- and medium-cap shares, not within the High 40. And sometimes largely the collective-investment schemes and the pension-fund buyers are centered on the High 40. We’ve seen these High 40 shares increasing and rising. So, sure, there’s a very detrimental impression on the smaller and fewer liquid shares, and that may be a cyclical factor throughout a downturn and a disaster. The much less liquid shares have a tendency to not be the main focus of an investor’s portfolio as a result of you’ll be able to’t afford to be in a much less liquid inventory; you want to have the ability to commerce out of your place shortly when the market turns.
We’re additionally seeing some actually optimistic indicators. As we noticed a few years in the past, when AB InBev purchased SAB, they main inbound-listed on the trade. We’re seeing the identical with Coca-Cola, which not too long ago purchased out Pioneer Meals and has now introduced that it’s going to be itemizing the bottling firm on the JSE. These are essential world alerts to world buyers, and likewise essential for our native liquidity and the power of our native pension-fund asset managers and buyers to diversify their funding.
So sure, the funding world is lowering within the small caps. It’s a priority for the pipeline of latest listings. I consider it’ll change when the cycle switches to one in all development. However, as I mentioned earlier, it is a long-term sport that we’re speaking about, and the High 40 shares proceed to develop.
RYK VAN NIEKERK: I feel the funding efficiency is a completely totally different debate, as a result of now we have seen a major enchancment within the efficiency during the last six months.
We’ve seen some proposals from authorities to permit the inward itemizing of worldwide exchange-traded funds, or funds invested in overseas property, to permit the native trade to put money into these property. Have you ever seen any curiosity from foreigners and South Africans to checklist these devices on the JSE?
LEILA FOURIE: We’ve definitely seen a rise in ETFs, and ETNs, for that matter. ETNs have been greater than double during the last 12 months. We hope that that exchange-liberational train does translate. It’s nonetheless beneath investigation and beneath dialogue. The regulators are participating the market. There have been three exchange-control reforms that the JSE put ahead. The one that you just talked about is the primary one, the second is to just accept non-cash collateral. Foreigners proper now must submit rand collateral, which prices them cash and exposes them to the rand. Additionally, enabling dollar-based listings on the trade would open up our economic system.
I don’t assume that there’s anybody panacea to rising our economic system. It will be an oversimplification. There are a number of advanced dynamics at play, and it’s a perform of firstly rising the true economic system and, secondly, making enterprise and buying and selling a lot simpler by exchange-control reform; doubtlessly additionally by introducing new merchandise like energetic ETFs – and we hope to conclude that course of within the third quarter of this 12 months. After which, thirdly, by placing a really highly effective, unified and powerful narrative ahead to the worldwide investor neighborhood, as a result of liquidity drives listings. It’s a virtuous circle. In the event you don’t have buying and selling, you’re not going to have the ability to appeal to capital raises.
RYK VAN NIEKERK: Thanks, Leila. I hope we see this cycle change fairly shortly in order that we are able to see a brand new era of corporations itemizing on the JSE. That was Dr Laila Fourie, the CEO of the JSE.